Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
Natal
Topic Started: Jun 10 2009, 10:27 PM (386 Views)
Deleted User Jun 16 2009, 10:58 PM Post #16
Deleted User
Juggernaut
Jun 15 2009, 11:03 PM
Link
Jun 15 2009, 10:55 PM
Have you seen Wii Sports Resort? Basically the EXACT same thing.

Fencing, Archery, 1:1 control

So you're saying that Sony's controller will somehow magically prevent minigames or repetitive action based games from being released on PS3? They're the exact same controller. If one's a gimmick, so is the other. It may be perfect from the start, because of the reason I stated earlier: It's a rip off of the Wiimotion Plus controller. They already knew what to integrate because they already had a perfect prototype.

That's fine. That's where improvements come from, but the point still stands that it IS a ripoff of Wiimotion Plus.
And presumably the Wiimote was a ripoff of another company's technology.

Edit: And did you actually see Sony's press conference? The thing was practically a mouse for a computer, barely any gimmicks attached.
No, that's not something we can just presume. Somebody has to come up with the original idea. I mean, really, find me a company before Nintendo that had a controller with infrared, gyrometers, accelerometers, and bluetooth. Unless you're saying that they ripped off the makers of infrared and such, which is just absurd.

Yes, I did watch the video, it looked interesting. The Wiimote is already a mouse for computers with bluetooth. The Sony controller is no bloody different. It does the exact same thing as the Wiimotion Plus.

The competition is good, even if they did copy. You cannot deny, though, that they did copy Nintendo. Every company has probably done it at some point, I was just stating a fact. The only thing that makes me mad is how that dick in control of Sony kept dismissing Wii as a gimmick, and then they go and make the exact same thing.

I'm genuinely interested in all three consoles at this point. I look to consoles to do neat things like this, and I look to PC for no frills gaming. Both are good.

Lastly, I have to ask you, did you watch the Wiimotion Plus video?
 
Juggernaut Jun 17 2009, 10:50 AM Post #17
Member Avatar
Omnibus Locis Fit Caedes
 Yes, I watched all three press conferences and the majority of the booth videos. But I still think that Nintendo's Wii Motion Plus is marginally more of a gimmick than Son'y controller, by far.


Edit: And by Nintendo "ripping off" some other company's design, I mean there were almost some serious legal ramifications for what they did. I think the company was almost threatening to sue. So, what comes around goes around.
Edited by Juggernaut, Jun 17 2009, 10:51 AM.
Posted ImagePosted Image
 
Deleted User Jun 17 2009, 11:45 AM Post #18
Deleted User

 Marginally, by far? Ok.

Read up on that lawsuit. I figured you'd bring that up. There are two lawsuits, actually. One sued Nintendo for having a "3D controller with vibration", a patent filed by them in 2000. You immediatly should know that patent is BS, because the Dualshock and N64 rumble pack came out before the patent was even filed, and no one sued during the Gamecube/PS2/Xbox generation, all of which had rumble.

The second lawsuit is suing Nintendo because the Wiimote is a "Trigger operated device with infrared". Look at your TV remote. It has infrared, and it technically is trigger operated. If you think a Wiimote is a ripoff of the TV remote, then I won't bother saying any more.
 
Juggernaut Jun 17 2009, 12:09 PM Post #19
Member Avatar
Omnibus Locis Fit Caedes
Link
Jun 17 2009, 11:45 AM
Marginally, by far? Ok.

Read up on that lawsuit. I figured you'd bring that up. There are two lawsuits, actually. One sued Nintendo for having a "3D controller with vibration", a patent filed by them in 2000. You immediatly should know that patent is BS, because the Dualshock and N64 rumble pack came out before the patent was even filed, and no one sued during the Gamecube/PS2/Xbox generation, all of which had rumble.

The second lawsuit is suing Nintendo because the Wiimote is a "Trigger operated device with infrared". Look at your TV remote. It has infrared, and it technically is trigger operated. If you think a Wiimote is a ripoff of the TV remote, then I won't bother saying any more.
You're blowing everything out of context. You should know that nothing in the legal system works the way it should, and that everything is a long, drawn-out process that can be about the smallest things.

Oh, and as to finding a company that had a controller similar to Nintendo's in the way it gathers information, there actually was one:

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5463296/claims.html
Posted ImagePosted Image
 
Deleted User Jun 17 2009, 12:30 PM Post #20
Deleted User

 I completely agree with the top half. People are just trying to make money off the Wii's success, which is why I didn't consider the lawsuits valid claims as to whether or not the Wiimote ripped off a design.

However, that controller that you linked to is referring not to a physical handheld controller, but more of something comparable to a logic controller, if that makes sense. They're quite not the same. Take a look at this image.

http://www.patentgenius.com/image/5463296-2.html

It's for controlling servo motors.
 
Juggernaut Jun 17 2009, 12:34 PM Post #21
Member Avatar
Omnibus Locis Fit Caedes
 But still, it's the same technology that Nintendo's now using, and I'm sure somewhere in that patentdump there's a patent involving a peripheral like the Wii Mote.
Posted ImagePosted Image
 
Deleted User Jun 17 2009, 12:39 PM Post #22
Deleted User
Juggernaut
Jun 17 2009, 12:34 PM
But still, it's the same technology that Nintendo's now using, and I'm sure somewhere in that patentdump there's a patent involving a peripheral like the Wii Mote.
The patent makes no mention of infrared, gyrometers, accelerometers, or bluetooth (though gyrometers can possibly be inferred). I'm sorry, but one common link does equate to the same technology.

If that was true, Nintendo should have sued a lot of companies for having controllers with buttons, as the NES controller had two buttons (AND a D-pad).

Oh well, enough of it. I'm getting a Wiimotion Plus in a few days, I'll update you guys on how well it works. Sony's controller looks good, but when it all comes down to it, they copied Nintendo. It doesn't really matter too much, though. In some ways, it's good. If a company copies something, they have to make it THAT much better so it will sell. In a sense, copying encourages innovation.

I still hate the president of Sony, though :argh:

A year from now, if I happen to have some money lying around (like that ever happens), I'll probably get a 360 and PS3. They should both be pretty dirt cheap by then, and it will be interesting to see all the new stuff they have. Then again, I'm having less and less time to play video games, so maybe I shouldn't.
 
Juggernaut Jun 17 2009, 12:45 PM Post #23
Member Avatar
Omnibus Locis Fit Caedes
 I liked him, he was the one actually giving the speech, right? Yeah, he sounded like a mega elitist with some of the stuff he said, which is why I liked it.
Posted ImagePosted Image
 
Deleted User Jun 17 2009, 12:51 PM Post #24
Deleted User

 I don't know why you'd like an elitist... He didn't sound elitist, anyways. He was promoting his product by using some weasel words, just like every company does. I don't think he was the president of Sony I'm thinking of, because he seems like a decent person.
 
Juggernaut Jun 17 2009, 12:54 PM Post #25
Member Avatar
Omnibus Locis Fit Caedes
 I like elitists because I'm an elitist, so I liked the message of "this is ONLY possible on the PS3". And the speaker for Microsoft made a bunch of shots at Nintendo, mainly about last year's press-conference and their pre-motion plus controller.
Posted ImagePosted Image
 
Deleted User Jun 17 2009, 01:00 PM Post #26
Deleted User
Juggernaut
Jun 17 2009, 12:54 PM
I like elitists because I'm an elitist, so I liked the message of "this is ONLY possible on the PS3". And the speaker for Microsoft made a bunch of shots at Nintendo, mainly about last year's press-conference and their pre-motion plus controller.
It's also possible on the Wii, but ok. Weasel words combined with fanboyism work really well on some people.

I didn't see the MS conference last year. I read about the Sony CEO raging in an EGM interview, and when MS was asked the same question, they answered it a bit more civilized.
 
Juggernaut Jun 17 2009, 01:41 PM Post #27
Member Avatar
Omnibus Locis Fit Caedes
 He was more or less talking about the exclusive content for the PS3. I didn't really like any of press conferences last year, to be honest.
Posted ImagePosted Image
 
SakuWRYYYYY Sep 8 2009, 09:52 PM Post #28
Member Avatar
You monster.
 Nintendo selling Wii motion plus, and not making the Wii Remote accurate from the start? It was a plot to get more money, I'd say.
The neighbor is doing business in my yard. He's selling boats, IN MY YARD. ~Acolyte

Posted Image
 
2 users reading this topic (2 Guests and 0 Anonymous)
« Previous Topic · Kakariko Village · Next Topic »
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2

Nintendo Realms